I know some BOE items will go to guildies that were not in raid on that night and will cost a suicide. That's a no-brainer. However, range of questions arises even with this scenario. For example, should the item go to a guild member who is not an active 25-man raider? Or should it go as an off-kit item to a regular raider or to an alt of an active raider as a reward for participation? Also, if it goes to an alt - is it a suicide for the main? I dont think maintaining alt SK list is feasible. Or maybe if main takes an item for an alt main drops like 5 spots on SK list? Just throwing ideas, see what you all think. Not that it matters, cause the issue will be decided in a traditional authoritarian manner of Zombie management anyway :-)

i think as a guild we should be concerned w/ team type thought 4 the x-pac, on BOE item if the core main raiders don't need the item it should go to someone else in guild that would be next in line that would need it 4 their main, this way we all get to 80 quickly and once we all make it there, then BOE's just go to alts or off specs....this is the point of being in a guild to help the entire team progress...not to mention its better to give than to receive, remember the golden rule...do unto others.....80 lvl is the focus 4 all mains, once there, back to normal IMO...one love

BOE items in raids will require lvl 80 :-)

I think Daggard brought up a good point. wowinsider had a similar article yesterday. As informative and acknowledged as those writers in wowinsider, they simply do not have an answer.

First and foremost, there is simply no perfect solution to this problem. There simply is no solution that can cover all bases. Secondly, I think the solution lies primarily on each guild's philosophy and guild members' willingness to trust guild leadership even if the result might not be in his/her best interest.

Like I said previously, there is no right or wrong in how we handle BOE raid drops. Personally, I am in the school of thought that encourages participation. So if I am the one who makes the call, I'll do something like (from highest priority to lowest priority)

1. participants' main. suicide
2. participants' off-spec. no suicide
stick it in gbank
3. raiders' main spec. suicide
4. raiders' off spec or alt (including alt's main spec, alt's off spec). no suicide

My rational is that loots should be distributed in a quick matter. The longer it takes to distribute loots, the unnecessarily complicated it will become. Once we stick a BOE in gbank, it opens door to pretty much all sorta problems, such as deadline of a BOE withdrawn from gbank, my raiding main's off spec vs. your alt's main spec. Personally, I would like to give banking BOE as low priority as possible. In addition, BOE should be considered something a bonus, icing on the cake. Gearing should be done via participating in raids, not courting a BOE. I'd like to view BOE epics as a shard, except it is not one. If you want it, do everything in your power to join a raid and loot it on the spot.

I admit this is rather a very blunt approach to an extremely delicate topic. And I do not claim my approach is the only one. Just my 2 cents.

"If you want it, do everything in your power to join a raid and loot it on the spot."


lol, thats funny. good shit, medson

#932677 Daggard wrote:

I know some BOE items will go to guildies that were not in raid on that night and will cost a suicide. That's a no-brainer.

You should check again on that. Your stating that this is a no brainer yet presenting a question about it? So are you stating a fact or are you stating a possibility?


I personally feel that these items should be given to people in the raid as though they were BoP. All people would be open to it it would cost a suicide and they can do with it what they want after the fact whether its for their toon or off spec.

It should NOT be sold on AH or Trade. Must be used by the guild in some way.

Another option is when it drops link in gchat anyone on at the time has the chance to suicide for it. The item itself should NEVER NOT be a suicide, at least until its well into farm. Until then we can use that gear its BoE so it can go to someone that wants it and is an upgrade for.

It's just me but I would have a hard time suiciding for something I did not work to get. Not that I would or would not but if I did not work for it, it is like taking welfare.

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#932677 Daggard wrote:

I know some BOE items will go to guildies that were not in raid on that night and will cost a suicide. That's a no-brainer.

You should check again on that. Your stating that this is a no brainer yet presenting a question about it? So are you stating a fact or are you stating a possibility?


I take your point, Cynite, I did not express myself clearly. If BOE item drops and no main in raid wants to suicide for it BUT there is an active raider that was not there that night - he/she should get for suicide. For example, if Shogan is not in raid on Tuesday, but BOE item that he would use drops - he could get it for suicide the following day from guild bank. That's what I meant, sorry I was not very clear.

Shamie (Dragg), but we do suicide for such items now. Not often, but we do. Patterns and nether vortexes would be such an example. And I would not hesitate to suicide for some feral gear that just happened to drop on the night I couldnt raid. I think overall is is not a bad idea from Blizzard - it takes a little bit out of endless farming hoping for a luck of draw.

I understand that, it was just my .02 and how i feel. I do think there is a difference between mats and patterns and actual items.

My thoughts:

BOE epic drops... Those eligible for the item go in this order of preference:

Raider that is present -> Suicide
Sub that is present -> Suicide
Raider not present, but normally is -> Suicide
Sub on the waiting list -> Suicide

then,
Alt of Raider that is present -> Suicide
Alt of Sub that is present -> Suicide
Alt of Raider not present, but normally is -> Suicide
Alt of Sub on the waiting list -> Suicide

No takers, then in the guild bank.

This might be to much of a hassle to keep track of, but I am throwing this out there for discussion.

I think subs have a high priority then alts since they do fill in for people who can't make it so gearing them up before alts makes sense.

#934722 Tescovee wrote:

My thoughts:

BOE epic drops... Those eligible for the item go in this order of preference:

Raider that is present -> Suicide
Sub that is present -> Suicide
Raider not present, but normally is -> Suicide
Sub on the waiting list -> Suicide

then,
Alt of Raider that is present -> Suicide
Alt of Sub that is present -> Suicide
Alt of Raider not present, but normally is -> Suicide
Alt of Sub on the waiting list -> Suicide

No takers, then in the guild bank.

This might be to much of a hassle to keep track of, but I am throwing this out there for discussion.

I think subs have a high priority then alts since they do fill in for people who can't make it so gearing them up before alts makes sense.

This is close to what I am thinking but more like this:

Present Raider (anyone on the team that - night core or sub) -> Suicide
No off kit for BoE

After raid
Core Raider -> Suicide
Sub Raider -> Suicide
Guild bank till a raider needs it.
No access for any type of alt.

No off-kit for BOE? Even if no active raider needs it for main spec?

Its hard to see too deeply into the crystal ball but I am guessing that we will have enough subs sucking down the BoEs that an offkit will never see the item.

What about when blizz allows us to use dual specs? Changing from Healer or DPS to Tanking might be a viable raid strategy on some fights... hard to tell at this point.

Some people all ready play two specs in a way. Dag and I both tank and dps and we both have to suicide main kit for both. I figure Dag tanks more and I dps more but it would be unfair for me not to suicide for a tank item. I imagine dual spec should work the same way if someone has two primary roles in the raid.

#935017 Tescovee wrote:

What about when blizz allows us to use dual specs? Changing from Healer or DPS to Tanking might be a viable raid strategy on some fights... hard to tell at this point.

dual spec will be implemented in the first major content patch after WoLK release, whenever that is.